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  • Oct. 1st, 2008 at 11:21 AM
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So here's another post on the art and craft of writing. I hope it's helpful ...

Finding the Moments

 

If you read my blog on a regular basis, you know I have a fondness for televised drama. Most particularly I love watching it on dvd – not only because you’re not constantly interrupted by ads, but because often you get really nifty extras like writer/director commentaries. And these can provide the most fantastic insights into the writing process.

You might think that writing straight narrative for a novel, and a script for performance/filming, don’t have anything in common … but you’d be mistaken. Certainly there are major differences, but the aspects they do share are pretty crucial to successful storytelling no matter the chosen medium.

Recently I got the 5th season of NCIS on dvd. And one particular episode of that season, Requiem, deals with an important element of backstory for one Jethro Leroy Gibbs: namely, the murder of his young daughter. That event is in the past, but he’s forced to confront it in the present when a friend of his dead daughter comes to him for help.

The commentary on this episode is provided by star Mark Harmon and executive producer Shane Brennan – an Aussie, as it happens! And there was one comment by Brennan that really stood out for me. Actually, it leapt out and smacked me across the face – in a good way.

Brennan says that when you ask someone to tell you what happened in a book or a movie or a tv show, they won’t usually tell you the plot … they’ll tell you the moments. In other words, what they recall is specific incidents in the story that have made a profound impact on them. And, he says, as a writer that is what he strives to do: he strives to find the moments, the memorable sequences, the emotionally impactful incidents in a story and write towards them. In other words, to construct the entire narrative so that those important moments drive the story and the characters and provide the emotional impact that you’re looking for.

When I heard him say that, a chandelier’s worth of lightbulbs went off in my head.

Almost without exception, the things I remember most about a book or a film or a tv drama that I love are those moments: Doctor Who, season 3, ‘42’, where the Doctor admits to Martha that he’s scared; Stargate SG-1, season 2, ‘A Matter of Tiime’, when Jack finally confronts Frank Cromwell and shows us he’s more than a few smart-arse comebacks; ‘Pawn in Frankincense’ by Dorothy Dunnett, when Francis chooses which child will die in a human chess game … I could fill pages with my favourite moments in drama.

See, Shane Brennan’s comment crystalised something crucial to my understanding of my own writing processess: that when I’m working on a new story, if I don’t have at least some of those moments in my head, if I haven’t found some of them before I begin writing, then I can’t begin writing. That until I’ve found them, I’m just not emotionally engaged in the story, and if I’m not emotionally engaged then I’m not ready.

Because it seems to me that if it’s those moments that engage me as a member of a story’s audience, then those are the things I should be focusing on as a story’s creator. Especially since the first draft is me telling myself the story (in the words of the wonderful Terry Pratchett) – which means it’s vital that I keep myself entertained. That I write with emotional passion, that I plunge my heart and soul into the story. Because if I’m not feeling anything, how can I expect a reader to feel anything?

There is, of course, a hitch with this approach. It’s bloody exhausting. If you’re writing drama, and if you’re writing to the moments, then you are most likely putting your characters through the wringer. That means you’re also putting yourself through the wringer, because for a reader to feel, a writer must also feel and capture those feelings on the page, in words.

Which would explain why writing a tough scene can make you feel as though you’ve been chewed up and spat out.

Apart from creating a memorable emotional experience for the reader, the other thing that writing to the moments does is give your narrative pace and drive. If you know where you’re heading, story-wise, your writing has purpose and energy. Now that’s not to say you have to know every moment of the whole story. If you’re my kind of writer, a loose outliner and discover-the-story-as-you-go type, it’s not possible to know every moment. Part of your process will be the discovery of those moments as you discover the details of the story and its characters.

But I believe you do need to know a few to get the ball rolling. Me, I always know the end moment before I start writing – I know where I’m heading. And I usually know a couple of significant ones along the way. Sometimes the story idea will come to me as an isolated scene – the first two Kingmaker, Kingbreaker books, for example, started with the moment of Gar presiding over Asher’s execution. Once I had that in my head, I had to then work backwards to find out how we’d reached that defining event, and then forwards to find out how the story ended.

But it all started with a moment. And as the story unfolded within me, I found more and more moments to write towards – significant emotional beats and events that kept me engaged with the story, and gave me somewhere to head for in the narrative.

So, without realising it, I’ve already been doing what Shane Brennan was talking about. Which is lucky for me! But the thing is, now I understand what I’m doing. And now I understand that when a story is bogged down, when I’m stuck, or when I can’t get started … the chances are good that I’ve not being paying sufficient attention to the moments. The minute I rectify that mistake, the story flow returns and so do the words.

But here’s another thing: moments are very personal. What you as an audience member – and by extension, a writer – will respond to emotionally isn’t necessarily the same as what I’ll respond to, or your friends will respond to. Of course, if a writer manages to capture something universally affecting then a great many people will respond the same way and lo! A hit is born.

Trouble is, it’s hard – if not impossible – to predict which stories will resonate with a large audience. I mean, how many agents and editors didn’t get Harry Potter? And yet those books resonate on a scale that’s almost unimaginable. But Rowling wasn’t thinking about that, she was telling a story that resonated with her. And that’s the key.

As writers, we can’t control how our work is received. All we can do is write the most honest, the most emotionally resonant story of which we are capable – a story that engages us – and keep our fingers crossed that what engages us will engage a lot of other people as well. That’s it. That’s our job. The rest is a crap shoot.

But if we take Shane Brennan’s advice, and always keep the moments in our mind, always look for the moments to illuminate as we tell our stories, then I truly believe we won’t stray too far from the track.

And now, a question for you: what are your favourite moments from books, film and tv?  I'd love you to share them.

 

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[info]kateelliott wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 01:38 am (UTC)
Too busy to dredge up examples, but I just want to say: yes, yes, yes, and yes. I've been thinking about this very issue while revising Crossroads #3, because my favorite bits, the ones I'm most pleased with, are moments, not clever concepts or plot explication.

I don't watch a ton of tv, but this past year writing Traitors' Gate I think I have been influenced -- not in terms of plot but in terms of what you're talking about here -- by watching via Netflix the first four seasons of the HBO series The Wire, because it's all about the moments. And the set up for those moments.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
To be honest, for me, the whole point is the moments. The rest of it is just scaffolding to support the moments. I've never been moved emotionally by a special effect, or a clever concept, or a plot explication, except where it has an emotional impact by connection with character.

I intend to go back and give The Wire another try. I've fallen in love with a lot of stories by giving them a second go.

Hope the revisions continue well. Go you!
[info]catsparx wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
‘Pawn in Frankincense’ by Dorothy Dunnett, when Francis chooses which child will die in a human chess game'

Thanks for this! I read this story many many years ago. It chilled me to the bone and I never forgot it... however, I did manage to forget both the name of the story and the name of the author...
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:10 am (UTC)
You're welcome. To jog your memory, it's the Lymond Chronicles, and bk 1 is The Game of Kings. A brilliant, brilliant series. More moments than I can shake a stick at. She's one of the most influential writers in my life, I think.
[info]catsparx wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
Hmmm... I'm pretty sure what I read was a short story. I shall investigate.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:17 am (UTC)
Okay, well, so not a short story. *g*
[info]catsparx wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:18 am (UTC)
yeah, but this is *my* memory we're talking about here... tres unreliable!!!
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
Uh huh. Yeah. Um, who are you again?
[info]catsparx wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
yeah
[info]ejcaldera wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 02:54 am (UTC)
Some very interesting thoughts. What little writing I have done, I think I was writing towards the moments. Usually, a story starts out with a particular scene in my head. I may not even know why or how those circumstances come to pass when I first think of the scene. The story comes out figuring out how to get to that point.

As for favorite moments, one that springs to mind from Doctor Who is from the Runaway Bride, where the Doctor is drowning the Racnoss and Donna stops him. That captured for me how truly scary the Doctor can be and one of the reasons why he needs a human companion.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:11 am (UTC)
Heh. And for me, the significant moment is at the wedding reception, when he's remembering Rose. Sob. Sniff. *g*
[info]ejcaldera wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
"And for me, the significant moment is at the wedding reception, when he's remembering Rose."

You old softie, you. *g* Yes, that's a great moment, as is the bit at the end where the Doctor's tells Donna Rose's name. On a side note, I watched Runaway Bride for the second time on either the SciFi Channel or BBC America, can't remember which, and they actually cut out both of those moments! Bad, bad, bad editors. Reaffirmed my decision to download the U.K. version of the episodes, even if the U.S. is only a week or two behind.

Thought of a few more favorite moments, all from Doctor Who. Seem to be stuck on Doctor Who at the moment, but then the new TV season in the U.S. hasn't really gotten underway yet. I love the part of Gridlock where the Doctor tells Martha about Gallifrey. Also love the bits in The Doctor's Daughter where the Doctor admits to having killed before and when he gets very riled up about the idea of a Time Lord being more than just biology. And I love "It's gone, it's gone, it's gone" from Midnight and the wordless scene near the end where the Doctor hugs Donna.

I also had another thought about what makes a moment for me (and I'm betting this goes for you as well). Sometimes the background music in a movie or TV show can turn a scene into a moment for me, or make a moment into a very memorable moment. The lighting of the bonfires in Return of the King (hey, something that's not Doctor Who!), the scene where the Tardis takes the Earth home in Journey's End, the flashbacks in Journey's End to those who have died, the Abide With Me scene in Gridlock, to name a few.

In thinking about all of this (what a wonderful mental distraction for the day!), I realized I may be a bit of a moment junkie. I'll go back to movies and TV episodes that had great moments, and skip through just to watch those scenes. Sometimes over and over.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, I am indeed a sucker for angst. And I don't apologise for it, either! So there! *g*

And yes, when he says her name. Boo hoo!!!!

Yes, the Gallifrey moment. I thought that might have been influenced by the scene with Aragorn and Boromir in LOTR, where they're talking about the White City.

Midnight was an amazing piece of theatre. I got the chills when he said to Donna at the end, Don't. Just don't. Because he's said that before, and it was very very funny. This time it was horrifying.

I am absolutely a moment junkie.
[info]satimaflavell wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
Too many to count, Karen, but just a random harvest: The first kiss on the balcony in Zeffirelli's R&J; Harry's grief on seeing the slaughter at Agincourt in Branagh's Henry V (with Non Nobis, Domine playing in the background - goosebumps!); the job inteview scene in The Full Monty when the garden gnome goes past the window; the moment in A Knight's Tale when William lets the Black Prince leave the field with honour - and of course, the classic line from Crocodile Dundee: "You call that a knife... THIS is a knife!

Funny, they are all old movies. None of the ones I've seen in the last few years seemed to have that much impact. Perhaps I've seen strong emotions portrayed by so many good actors that more of the same is just water off a duck's back.

Bookwise, Karen, the end of your "Innocent Mage" with the carriage crash gave me good jolt, as did the terrible fear of Glenda Larke's bird people at the end of "The Tainted". The sacrifice scene in Juliet's Marillier's "Blade of Fortriu" still gives me the creeps just thinking about it, as do the final torture scenes from Joe Abercrombie's "Last Argument of Kings" and Jacqueline Carey's "Kushiel's Avatar". Sometimes fear and violence in print are more effective than they are on screen.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
Oh, I so love A Knight's Tale, too. It's such an eccentric film, and I adore it to bits. I love the scene where Chaucer is defending William.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 11:55 pm (UTC)
No brain, I didn't answer this properly yesterday. It was a drive by response!

Wow, it's ages since I've seen that film, R&J. Must go have a look again. Yes, the Agincourt moment was great. But better yet, I think, was the moment in his Hamlet when he realised that Ophelia had sided with her father against him. First time I saw that, the hair stood up on my neck.

Glad the carriage crash made an impression. *g* And I too think Carey does some fabulous things!
[info]satimaflavell wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
Gee, I am ashamed - I haven't seen Branagh's Hamlet - must correct that failing! Yes,the old R&J was a much better effort than that daft thing with guys waving firearms at each other, saying "Put up your sword"! (I must admit to loving the swimming pool scene, though.)

And A Knight's Tale is well up in my Top Ten movies. Love it! I'd like to think Chaucer really was like that .
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:12 am (UTC)
Actually, I really loved Baz's R&J. Visually amazing, I thought. I adore Branagh's Hamlet -- although I think Tennant beats him. But Jacobi as Claudius is peerless. Just magnificent.

And isn't Chaucer to die for in that film????
[info]satimaflavell wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:48 am (UTC)
Gee, I wish I could see that production of Hamlet. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they filmed it? But I'll get hold of the Branagh one in the meantime.

Heh he - in A Knight's Tale I was in love with all five blokes, even Rufus Sewell. He plays baddies so well that he always manages to engage my sympathy as well my disgust. But yes, Paul Bettany as Chaucer was gorgeous. Have you seen the video version, with the scenes they cut out? There was a brilliantly funny one of Chaucer with his wife. They made Philippa into as great a doxy as her sister Catherine - and so well suited to Bettany's recreation of Geoff:-)
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
Yes. And I loved the extended scene at the end with Geoffrey and the Black Prince.
[info]naquerua wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:01 am (UTC)
Oh my. In House, when his staff quit. My jaw dropped. of course, I knew it was coming, but...

A Few Demons More by Kim Harrison. Kist is no more and that came out of nowhere. I REMEMBER where I was when I read that scene. I was at the university clinic for a doctor's note for calling out of work as I was sick.


And, Ms. Miller, The Riven Kingdom was very good. I cannot wait for Hammer of God to be released here in the US.
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 04:14 am (UTC)
Well, thank you kindly! I'm tickled you enjoyed it!

In House, for me, the scene where Wilson said goodbye to Amber was one of the most powerful.
[info]fingers wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 12:23 pm (UTC)
Ohhh too many to count nut looking at the authors on this thread ....

Marit's death in Spirit gate - shocked me out of the book for weeks but then drew me back... The moment when Asher and Dathne are in bed and she wakes to find it snowing... And Asher's tak with Gar at the end.

The final scenes in Red Seas under Red skies by Scott Lynch. The final scenes of Last Argument of Kings by Joe Abercrombie (different emotions in both cases!)

House is made up of moments like that and a moment in Dr Who S4 Turn Left when Donna says two little words and if you're a fan you will know what they are and yet still your stomach gives a massive somersault and glomp and .... the thirty seconds after that - magnificent.

I tend to start my writing like that - look for a scene and start with that.



[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC)
That snowing scene snuck up on me. I didn't plan it. It just happened. And it did feel magical at the time. I'm glad you liked it. And I made myself get all teary in that final talk at the end. I'm hopeless. *g*

Yes, House is fabulous. And though I'm a Who fan I don't remember that exchange you reference. Wow, an excuse to go back and look at Who! Gosh, what a hardship. *g*
[info]mesusa wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 10:46 pm (UTC)
Memorable Moments
I compliment you on your choice of music!
I am not an author, but I am a voracious reader, of many genres. Five minutes ago, I finished the second book in your Godspeaker series, and came on line to search for the next. Regrettably, I'll have to wait until January to acquire the last book in this engaging series. (I can call it engaging because it engaged me last night until 3am)

Most memorable scene from a book? King's Sacrifice, 3rd in the Star of the Guardians series by Margaret Weis. The final scene between Derek Sagan and Maigrey Morianna absolutely one of the most poignant scenes ever written. I've read the series countless time, and it still brings a tear to the eye.

Most memorable scene from a TV Series? The Message espisode of Firefly, when they return Private Tracey to his family.

Having no author acquaintances, it's been interesting reading your journal. Keep posting!
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Memorable Moments
Oh, Freddie, Freddie ... how much do we miss you? That glorious voice ...

I still remember what it felt like, hearing Bohemian Rhapsody for the first time. When it was first released. And rushing to school the next day to tell people -- you have to hear this song!!! See? I was a raving fan back in my teens! *g*

And thank you so much for the kind words about Riven Kingdom. I'm so pleased you're enjoying the Godspeaker trilogy. It was a trip to write, I can tell you that much!

Yes, that was a great scene in Firefly. But I think for me, overall, the most mesmerising Firefly episode was Out of Gas. I thought it was jawdroppingly spectacular. Flawless.

Oh, and another great moment in tv drama? When Fraiser is waiting for Victoria, in the Due South ep Victoria's Secret. His horrible little apartment full of candles that he's lit for her. And the ghost of his father is there telling him, son, it's not going to happen, and he's crying, and saying it will, it will. Wow. It just breaks my heart to think of it.
[info]mesusa wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Memorable Moments
Thanks for the response and egad, we must be the same age! I still think of myself as a raving fan of Queen.. I listen to it all the time, particularly when driving, which can be a little problematic.

Firefly was such an exceptional show, most of the episodes had one moment or another that you tend to remember. Out of Gas is one of my favorites also, perhaps they should have shown it earlier, allowing the audience to understand the how the crew got together. Shame it didn't last. Don't you ever wonder about Shepard Book's background? There's a topic for your next series...
[info]karenmiller wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:09 am (UTC)
Re: Memorable Moments
And here's me, behind again!!! Arrgghhhh!

There is no such thing as age. *g*

I was very sorry Firefly fell victim to studio politics. It was a wealth of the best stories and had such potential.

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